Does Australia have it right????

[Papa Bear]

Haven't seen too many Swamps that are not Acidic! Why? Because of decaying matter that releases CO2 back to the atmosphere! Cause and effect, not effect and cause! Own a pool? As a guard you should know what causes a pool to become Acidic, organic martial, and not CO2! Why won't you address the .0046 or 46 thousands of a percent of the atmosphere from the top to the bottom of Death Valley! I don't think we have to worry about the oceans becoming Swamps anytime soon! It is a natural swing that we now can measure and 300 years ago we couldn't and didn't care! We are too young at observing, but smart enough to know where funding comes from! Don't kid yourself! Your teachers are slaves to the funding they all claimer for! Your problem is your young and easily persuaded, got to keep those grades up! So a 4 one thousands of a percent is going to kill us we are already done!

[hbh2oguard]

As a guard you should know what causes a pool to become Acidic, organic martial, and not CO2!

My pool is the OCEAN and yes I do know what causes it to become acidic. Sorry I'm not inlander so I have no clue what makes a pool acidic.

[Papa Bear]

Or much else! You never addressed the 115 record LOWS! The Sun spots! When I am dead and I will rely on your memory to say "Papa Bear you were right". You refuse to read Trashing the planet and rely on what some one is telling you based on only 100 years of knowledge on a planet that is 5 billion years old! We don't even know what we don't know and this planet will out live us by a number of years before it blows up in a ball of fire that cooks the oceans into vapor and the Hydrogen becomes part of the expanding sun! So what are you going to do about that? The only thing constant is change!

[hbh2oguard]

Like I said again we will have to agree to disagree!!!!!

[shinek]

Still think we're in one of those "religious" arguments here. One side will probably never accept what the other is saying.

I will make an attempt to read Trashing the Planet out of interest and a desire to look at all sides of the issue.

But, why should anyone accept one publication as fact and not another? I don't believe anyone who writes a book does so purely to get factual information in the hands of the public, they want to sell books and they all have an agenda, so the information held within that book needs to be viewed with that agenda in mind.

Here are a few reviews from Amazon users, you'll see the varying opinions.

1 This book is a good starting point for those who want to research environmental issues and not get distracted by the hype. It provides many resources and provides good leads. It is also an easy read for those who don't have a scientific back ground.

2 Presents an interesting look at the conservative perspective on the environmental issues of today, but if you are looking for a book with accurate data that you can quote, this is not it. After finding an error right away on page 2, I found it hard to know what was fact and what was not. It does not present the sources of the numbers it quotes, so you can't judge if the information is any more valid than the studies it criticizes. There are better books out there presenting the conservative viewpoint on environmental issues. Does have an interesting section on natural radiation sources though.

3 I keep this book handy to educate clueless people who just listen to the "news" each night.
It is loaded with earth facts, and dispells the popular myths of today, that man has the power to change the climate.
We don't.
We are arrogant for thinking we can. The environmmental movement is a home for Socialists, just follow the money.
Buy this book and prepared to be angered by how manipulated you have been. You are taxed to death for the "environmental good" that has no meaning. What dopes we all are.

4 A completely outdated, thoroughly debunked screed against the environmental movement. Contains a number of hilarious errors, including overestimating the amount of chlorine released by volcanoes by a factor of about 5,000!

[hbh2oguard]

Still think we're in one of those "religious" arguments here. One side will probably never accept what the other is saying.

I will make an attempt to read Trashing the Planet out of interest and a desire to look at all sides of the issue.

But, why should anyone accept one publication as fact and not another? I don't believe anyone who writes a book does so purely to get factual information in the hands of the public, they want to sell books and they all have an agenda, so the information held within that book needs to be viewed with that agenda in mind.

Here are a few reviews from Amazon users, you'll see the varying opinions.

1 This book is a good starting point for those who want to research environmental issues and not get distracted by the hype. It provides many resources and provides good leads. It is also an easy read for those who don't have a scientific back ground.

2 Presents an interesting look at the conservative perspective on the environmental issues of today, but if you are looking for a book with accurate data that you can quote, this is not it. After finding an error right away on page 2, I found it hard to know what was fact and what was not. It does not present the sources of the numbers it quotes, so you can't judge if the information is any more valid than the studies it criticizes. There are better books out there presenting the conservative viewpoint on environmental issues. Does have an interesting section on natural radiation sources though.

3 I keep this book handy to educate clueless people who just listen to the "news" each night.
It is loaded with earth facts, and dispells the popular myths of today, that man has the power to change the climate.
We don't.
We are arrogant for thinking we can. The environmmental movement is a home for Socialists, just follow the money.
Buy this book and prepared to be angered by how manipulated you have been. You are taxed to death for the "environmental good" that has no meaning. What dopes we all are.

4 A completely outdated, thoroughly debunked screed against the environmental movement. Contains a number of hilarious errors, including overestimating the amount of chlorine released by volcanoes by a factor of about 5,000!

Well it sounds like a real "factual" book haha NOT!! I'd have to assume Papa himself wrote the third review. I rely on peer reviewed scientific article published in well know and respected journals for my information....try the same and you might get some real facts supported by science!!! Plus books aren't normally considered good sources for scientific info because most are old and science is always advancing. As a busy student I don't think I'll have time to waste on this, maybe this summer but I highly doubt it. Oh yea one other thing I now know why papa never has an origin of the data he's always trying to pawn off on us.....nice try!

[Papa Bear]

Well anyone can review a book, but it is the must well foot noted book on the subject anywhere. I love how some people will judge a book without even opening the cover! What's to fear? the truth? Is it because the author is a well educated strong conservative WOMAN? It stands on its own merits and foot notes! I happen to agree because of my eduction and 55 years of being in the ocean and on the earth! I understand observation and theory! I also understand people are like Liming, just look at the trillion dollars mess the Liming have us in now!

Don't you just love Orwell? He predicted a society where "Books" are "Not a good source of info"! Wow O worry about our country and our world if this is the generation we are turning it over to! I don't foot note, because it is a discussion, but everything I post has been researched as to source and accuracy right here on the Internet and everyone has the same tools, just not the same brain hemisphere dealing with the info! Because it makes you "Feel Good" doesn't make it true!