Seizing Natural Climate Change by Politicans!

[Papa Bear]

Environmentalism is a religion with it's own Gurus that are to be believed because they are tested politically as "Human Haters" and Socialists then their credentials are "just right" as long as their doctrine blames man and especially "Capitalist man"! You can tell a persons politics from the "Scientific conclusions"! Man puts all value on this planet, without us nothing else matters! If a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound? Who cares unless we are there to quantify the beauty of the tree? Or the Forrest?

The Trial Lawyers have done a great job hand and hand with the left wing! We believe with no scientific proof that "Breast implants cause Auto-immune disease" No scientific evidence, "all Asbestos is dangerous" if so why do they still mine it is Canada? Because only the South African Asbestos causes Mesothelioma and not the straight type from Canada, yet we point the finger at all of it in order to put more money in the pockets of Trial Lawyers! The best book ever written is "Trashing the Planet" By Dixie Lee Ray and unless you read it you haven't got a clue! Even if you disagree with it at least you will know where I come from and why I have the positions I do!

We are being manipulated by the media and Junk science to blame someone for life! What are we going to do when the Moon leaves it's orbit and spins off into space? Or when the 1 in 17000 chance a "Life ending Meteor" will hit the planet? We have so many real threats that to tell you that YOU and your SUV are killing the Polar Bear is just nuts! Not one of the climate models when run backwards puts us "Here at this time or weather place" in real science you have to be able to reproduce the results in the lab, and they can't!

My 36 years of diving and traveling I have observed our oceans and I have not seen the alarming signs that sell movies, employee scientists, Tax people, and most of all control people without force!

So if you take the doom and gloom side of this sell your dive gear and move to higher ground now! Be sure you walk, even though that produces more CO2 in a mile as your car, but you will look green! Plant or pay to have that tree planted! Even though we plant "Urban forest" wherever we build!

I for one will be enjoying a pristine reef hopefully in 80 plus degree water a few steps from my Bure where the water lines has been for the last 30 years!
You see it is one thing to tell and sell this crap to someone in Denver who has never seen the ocean except on a screen in "Water World" but to sell it to people who are in it all the time is a whole different deal and we should stand up and tell it as we see it! That is vialed observation!

So when you hear a rant about politics or visa versa you can pin down that persons science, politics, and religion!

So I have posted line after line of evidence that the whole thing is a fraud! What do we hear in the way of facts or evidence on the "Correct side" Nothing but the insult! The jab, the barb, the challenge of personal belief, but never any empirical evidence! Just lies and attacks! That's all they have!

[thalassamania]

Environmentalism is a religion with it's own Gurus that are to be believed because they are tested politically as "Human Haters" and Socialists then their credentials are "just right" as long as their doctrine blames man and especially "Capitalist man"! You can tell a persons politics from the "Scientific conclusions"! Man puts all value on this planet, without us nothing else matters! If a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound? Who cares unless we are there to quantify the beauty of the tree? Or the Forrest?

That's some kind of weird psycho voodoo that I do not understand. Here's where you go wrong. You assume that you can tell someone's politics by taking a look at their science. Only someone who knew nothing about science, what it is, how it works, what journals and peer review are, could ever make so a misconceived statement. In order to actually advance that theory you'd have to believe that the entire National Academy of Sciences held a single, consistent, political view.

The Trial Lawyers have done a great job hand and hand with the left wing! We believe with no scientific proof that "Breast implants cause Auto-immune disease" No scientific evidence, "all Asbestos is dangerous" if so why do they still mine it is Canada? Because only the South African Asbestos causes Mesothelioma and not the straight type from Canada, yet we point the finger at all of it in order to put more money in the pockets of Trial Lawyers! The best book ever written is "Trashing the Planet" By Dixie Lee Ray and unless you read it you haven't got a clue! Even if you disagree with it at least you will know where I come from and why I have the positions I do!

Oh ... I didn't realize that the trail lawyers, in cahoots with the commies were to blame. Comrade ... thanks for the report.

We are being manipulated by the media and Junk science to blame someone for life! What are we going to do when the Moon leaves it's orbit and spins off into space? Or when the 1 in 17000 chance a "Life ending Meteor" will hit the planet? We have so many real threats that to tell you that YOU and your SUV are killing the Polar Bear is just nuts! Not one of the climate models when run backwards puts us "Here at this time or weather place" in real science you have to be able to reproduce the results in the lab, and they can't!

Who is it that pays for the media to manipulate you? Is it the trail lawyers and the commies? Or is it big business and the bankers? Do they do this through newspapers that you don't have to buy or television that you don't have to watch or do the beam their evil thoughts, against your will, directly to your brain? If it is the latter, I suggest extreme care removing the receiver, sometimes they booby-trap them.

My 36 years of diving and traveling I have observed our oceans and I have not seen the alarming signs that sell movies, employee scientists, Tax people, and most of all control people without force!

We all have to bow to your world travels and marvelous powers of observation and discernment. As we accept your observations as something more than anecdotal we'll all try or hardest to ignore what, you must understand, seem to be paranoid delusions concerning trial lawyers, communists and the media.

So if you take the doom and gloom side of this sell your dive gear and move to higher ground now! Be sure you walk, even though that produces more CO2 in a mile as your car, but you will look green! Plant or pay to have that tree planted! Even though we plant "Urban forest" wherever we build!

I for one will be enjoying a pristine reef hopefully in 80 plus degree water a few steps from my Bure where the water lines has been for the last 30 years!
You see it is one thing to tell and sell this crap to someone in Denver who has never seen the ocean except on a screen in "Water World" but to sell it to people who are in it all the time is a whole different deal and we should stand up and tell it as we see it! That is vialed observation!

So when you hear a rant about politics or visa versa you can pin down that persons science, politics, and religion!

I'd guess that I know many more scientists (especially oceanographers and climatologists) that you do. When it comes to anthropogenic global climate change, the differ only in degree not in concept. But when it comes to politics and religion they span just about every political alignment and religious outlook.

So I have posted line after line of evidence that the whole thing is a fraud! What do we hear in the way of facts or evidence on the "Correct side" Nothing but the insult! The jab, the barb, the challenge of personal belief, but never any empirical evidence! Just lies and attacks! That's all they have!

That statement is complete clap-trap. It was dealt with in post #91 and your incessant whining does not make it any more so than it was the last time.

[Papa Bear]

Facts nothing but facts: Something the "Believers don't have" and you won't see! Why because they have nothing but a model!
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com...a-short-essay/
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com...e-20s-and-30s/
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com...lobal-warming/
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com...urope-and-usa/

Add to this that the polar cap is at its average and where is the Global Warming? It has taken a vacation! BTW for those with open minds: The South Pole continues to add ice and snow pack! One of the many articles I have posted here! But all of it has to be read to be understood by those willing to see past their religious beliefs that "Man is the Problem"! Oh Please Mother Earth give them the strength!

[Papa Bear]

Global Warming? New Data Shows Ice Is Back

Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:55 AM

By: Phil Brennan Article Font Size

Are the world's ice caps melting because of climate change, or are the reports just a lot of scare mongering by the advocates of the global warming theory?

Scare mongering appears to be the case, according to reports from the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) that reveal that almost all the allegedly “lost” ice has come back. A NOAA report shows that ice levels which had shrunk from 5 million square miles in January 2007 to just 1.5 million square miles in October, are almost back to their original levels.

Moreover, a Feb. 18 report in the London Daily Express showed that there is nearly a third more ice in Antarctica than usual, challenging the global warming crusaders and buttressing arguments of skeptics who deny that the world is undergoing global warming.

The Daily express recalls the photograph of polar bears clinging on to a melting iceberg which has been widely hailed as proof of the need to fight climate change and has been used by former Vice President Al Gore during his "Inconvenient Truth" lectures about mankind’s alleged impact on the global climate.

Gore fails to mention that the photograph was taken in the month of August when melting is normal. Or that the polar bear population has soared in recent years.

As winter roars in across the Northern Hemisphere, Mother Nature seems to have joined the ranks of the skeptics.

As the Express notes, scientists are saying the northern Hemisphere has endured its coldest winter in decades, adding that snow cover across the area is at its greatest since 1966. The newspaper cites the one exception — Western Europe, which had, until the weekend when temperatures plunged to as low as -10 C in some places, been basking in unseasonably warm weather.

Around the world, vast areas have been buried under some of the heaviest snowfalls in decades. Central and southern China, the United States, and Canada were hit hard by snowstorms. In China, snowfall was so heavy that over 100,000 houses collapsed under the weight of snow.

Jerusalem, Damascus, Amman, and northern Saudi Arabia report the heaviest falls in years and below-zero temperatures. In Afghanistan, snow and freezing weather killed 120 people. Even Baghdad had a snowstorm, the first in the memory of most residents.

AFP news reports icy temperatures have just swept through south China, stranding 180,000 people and leading to widespread power cuts just as the area was recovering from the worst weather in 50 years, the government said Monday. The latest cold snap has taken a severe toll in usually temperate Yunnan province, which has been struck by heavy snowfalls since Thursday, a government official from the provincial disaster relief office told AFP.

Twelve people have died there, state Xinhua news agency reported, and four remained missing as of Saturday.

An ongoing record-long spell of cold weather in Vietnam's northern region, which started on Jan. 14, has killed nearly 60,000 cattle, mainly bull and buffalo calves, local press reported Monday. By Feb. 17, the spell had killed a total of 59,962 cattle in the region, including 7,349 in the Ha Giang province, 6,400 in Lao Cai, and 5,571 in Bac Can province, said Hoang Kim Giao, director of the Animal Husbandry Department under the Vietnamese Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Development, according to the Pioneer newspaper.

In Britain the temperatures plunged to -10 C in central England, according to the Express, which reports that experts say that February could end up as one of the coldest in Britain in the past 10 years with the freezing night-time conditions expected to stay around a frigid -8 C until at least the middle of the week. And the BBC reports that a bus company's efforts to cut global warming emissions have led to services being disrupted by cold weather.

Meanwhile Athens News reports that a raging snow storm that blanketed most of Greece over the weekend and continued into the early morning hours on Monday, plunging the country into sub-zero temperatures. The agency reported that public transport buses were at a standstill on Monday in the wider Athens area, while ships remained in ports, public services remained closed, and schools and courthouses in the more severely-stricken prefectures were also closed.

Scores of villages, mainly on the island of Crete, and in the prefectures of Evia, Argolida, Arcadia, Lakonia, Viotia, and the Cyclades islands were snowed in.

More than 100 villages were snowed-in on the island of Crete and temperatures in Athens dropped to -6 C before dawn, while the coldest temperatures were recorded in Kozani, Grevena, Kastoria and Florina, where they plunged to -12 C.

If global warming gets any worse we'll all freeze to death.

[thalassamania]

NewsMax's Brennan Follows Anti-Global Warming Script
Topic: NewsMax
In a Sept. 25 NewsMax column, Phil Brennan lashed out against the "mass hysteria over the alleged warming of the planet." He threw a bunch of numbers out to try and back it up. For instance:

Those evil deniers however, have taken the trouble to look at the facts instead of the propaganda from the U.N. and the rest of the global warming fanatics. They point out that the the anthroprogenic sources of CO2 account for exactly 0.11 percent of Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere. In other words, 99.89 percent of the greenhouse effect has not a damn thing to do SUVs, jet travel, backyard barbecues or any other human activity.

The folks at RealClimate have taken the trouble to look at the facts as well, and they pretty much debunk Brennan's numbers. Don't expect Brennan to report that, of course.

[Papa Bear]

As posted before by me, be ready for the personal attacks based on opinion and never any facts! Oldest tick in the book is to attack the messenger if you can't attack the message! Beware of fools with personal attacks and no facts to back them except "It's getting warmer" when it isn't or the "Ice is melting" when its not! The really good one is the "Sea is rising" and it isn't beyond it normal average! For we divers "The sea is getting so warm it's killing the reefs" NOT! They all bow to the god ALGORE and him leading them down the path like a modern day Pied Piper! Follow me to the land of socialism and state control! Just the world I want to live in! NOT! I would rather live in a world 20 degrees warmer than a day in paradise as a slave to the UN or some other repressive government controlled by the ALGORE's of the world!

Sell your gear and head for high country if you can afford the fuel to get there!

[thalassamania]

There have been no personal attacks, I have simply raised the question of credentials and creditability, both or which appear to me to be sorely lacking. Is it wrong to ask if someone has any training is the subject that they are holding forth on or if someone is slipping them a few bucks to say something? You make those same accusations of professional scientists without any evidence, at least I provide evidence of their incompetence and/or venality.