Does Australia have it right????

[shinek]

"Because it makes you "Feel Good" doesn't make it true!"

Couldn't agree more, but what makes people feel good varies by individual.

H.L. Mencken's philosophy with regards to human nature was that "it is in the nature of the human species to reject what is true but unpleasant and to embrace what is obviously false but comforting".

Some would say that the belief that there is no global climate issue and that we have sufficient resources to drill/dig our way out of the current crisis fits that basic philosophy.

Another little quote from Aldous Huxley;
"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored".
Obviously that one can work well for either camp.

Both those were taken from the Al Bartlett lecture I referred to some while ago. Well worth viewing, irrespective of which side of the fence you sit.

[hbh2oguard]

sure anyone can write a review and I just commented on those reviews. You are 100% right even though your reply is filled with sarcasm that books aren't the best source for this type of info. Especially the one and only book you keep referring to. I know you'll correct me if I'm wrong but it's over 15 years old. That's some old and outdated info!!! Times have changed and science has continued to advance. The most up to date info isn't in books it's in scientific journals. 15 years ago was really right at the beginning or maybe a little before the climate was really an issue and maybe "trashing the planet" had some substance then.

[Papa Bear]

Funny, I was at the first Earth Day when Global Cooling and a new Ice Age was coming! The part I was trying to get across is to have common ground! You see weather its the fade or the warming fade it's still the same VOODOO designed to control the masses! You don't remember the "Cold war" when we pulled together to defeat the soviets and their Communism, so we needed a new foe! So what better one than one you can use to control the masses! Look who loses, Who wins, and always follow the MONEY!

The book is a start to opening your eyes! It is still written by a physicist and physics does change much regardless of the years! But Tree-Huggers put her down because she doesn't tow the line! Look up Ben Stein's Expelled! You're too young to know that people do have other motives! Follow the Money and POWER!

BTW I am not a McKenzian and don't buy the whole theory! If you had an oil conversation in the early 1800's people would have thought you where nuts! We can't see the future and have no idea of the great things to come! Including a solution to all of our power needs! Like Nuclear so oil can be used for other things! BO said "We will cut our depends on Middle Eastern oil" I can't believe he can be so patronizing and people believe the BS! In the US we get over 50% from Canada 40% from Mexico and 9.1% from Venezuela and less than 1% from the Saudis for over seas navel operations! So see!

We produced 9million barrels of oil in 1984 and today less than 5million! So how much more do we save before we can cut our oil dependency on the Middle East?

[shinek]

Interesting comments so I thought I'd do a quick check on what the US imports from whom;

The US currently imports about 400M barrels per month of crude oil and oil products. Roughly 45% (180M) come from OPEC countries. Of that, roughly45M is from Saudi Arabia, 35M from Venezuela, 25 - 30M from Nigeria and 15 - 20M from Iraq. It varies monthly, so these are all approximate figures based on June to November, 2008 numbers.

From non-OPEC countries (total 220M barrels), Canada is by far the largest source with about 75M, followed by Mexico (35M) and Russia (20M). Surprisingly, the US imports about 10M barrels from the UK and about the same from the Virgin Islands.

For all the details check out the following;
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pe...im0_mbbl_m.htm

Doesn't really change the issue of dependence on foreign oil, but does help show where the dollars are going.

[Papa Bear]

I will be checking the figures, the sources change based on availability, but if anyone is interested I have friend at a major oil company who gets the reports directly. Venezuela is OPEC so is the total OPEC including Ven & Sad? My figures where 2007 late years reports. Dynamic supply and demand world and other than what we use on site in Iraq we buy very little for import! Most goes to Japan and world markets. The UK oil is from Conco-Phillips and under storage contracts. North Atlantic oil supplies...... Here is another perspective as well: http://www.sbsc.org/content/display.cfm?ID=2565

Point is we have it we should be drilling it! Next make it last longer by building NUCLEAR!

BTW: Another day another step toward socialism! Next stop Communism!

[The Publisher]

Imagine if those resources were funneled to U.S. companies for in-house energy sources, whether it be oil, nuclear, solar, geo-thermal, wind, or all of the above.

[Papa Bear]

BO has been asked to have the Ag Department to take over DOG BREEDING in order to eliminate pet ownership over time and give them RIGHTS!! Enough is enough!!!! (http://www.hsus.org/press_and_public...nt_120408.hthl) Come on you have to see what is going on! This is Nazi Germany! YOU HAVE NO MORE RIGHTS! NAME THREE THINGS IN THE SO CALLED FREE COUNTRY THAT ARE NOT ILLEGAL, REGULATED, OR TAXED! YOU CAN'T!!!!! There isn't and that's thanks to billions of laws passed by 1000s of DUMOCRATS and a lot of stupid so called Republicans! And lefties bitched about phone conversations under BUSH! Makes puke you huggers have no spines and sick way of thinking! It is all one happy family! Thanks for nothing!

[Papa Bear]

B. Boxer Dumocrat California is introducing a Bill to allow a treaty ratification of a UN treaty giving a group of 7 in Sweden the right make child protection laws in the US as to how you can raise your own kids! I am telling you this is going to bring down our country! I said over 25 years ago "That sometime soon after the year 2000 we will not be any different from the old USSR!" I was right about that too! THANK YOU IF YOU VOTED FOR OUR END! Not the change you hoped for??????? The ones I knew where coming! Hunting Ban on the way!

[hbh2oguard]

BTW: Another day another step toward socialism!

I don't know that socialims would be a bad thing especailly for healthcare. Just heard about what the hospital billed a family member for 9 days in the hospital....$125K. That's for no surgery, no ICU.....something has to change!! Thank God for health care!!!!!!!!

[Papa Bear]

We have the best in the world! You see, a good Liberal education and what do you get? "What's wrong with socialism?" Read Animal Farm! Read History! Never has worked and it will BK us! I won't work for someone else to sit on their fat ass and get my hard earned money! Nothing is better than Capitalism, even if you weren't taught that! You say their is no agenda in you teachers? LOL Your making my point! People in this country have now been officially Dumbed down! I can't believe that something that has made this country great for three hundred years is being lost on one generation! Lincoln was so right! BETTER DEAD THAN RED! SOCIALISM DOESN'T WORK READ MY LIPS! IT IS A COMPLETE FAILURE EVERY TIME SOMEONE TRIES IT!

You see this is what you get when you let the left teach our children!