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    Remember everyone, attack the message, not the messenger.

    And if someone here does not follow that protocol, the reason for that breakdown in etiquette clearly will be do to the failed policies of the Obama administration. Same goes for the mosquito bites I have received this week. If Obama had just come up with good mosquito abatement policies, we wouldn't have these issues.

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    Lets put it a little simpler but lets talk about money instead of the quality of the earth because we all know republicans are all about the money and this argument might make strike a note. Use less energy(conserve)= more money in your pocket to spend on scuba= happy me= happy earth. So what's there to lose, everyone wins!!! Also I'm not fully opposed to nuclear energy but I don't want it in my backyard nor does anyone else. So it's not going to happen.

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    Some interesting points being made and I'm having a slow day so thought I'd just chip in as well. By the way, the basic principles of conservation and improving efficiency are fundamentally sound, as long as the underlying costs are acceptable and I’m all in favour of the proposed mosquito abatement policy!

    The true cost of newer technology (e.g. solar panels), including direct, indirect, running costs and ultimate disposal/recycling should be taken into consideration, the same with hybrid cars and other ways to become more efficient with our energy and money. However, if we don't do something purely because it doesn't appear to make direct financial sense right now, then we don't benefit from investment in that industry which improves efficiencies and costs going forward. Just about every technological development costs more than its worth, in the initial stages, but as economies of scale build, it generates a healthy return. Sooner or later we will run out of fossil fuels, that's just common sense, they are not an unlimited resource. So if we begin the move to "better" technologies today then we will see the costs of those technologies come down and efficiencies increase.

    If the figures are correct, 300 years to recoup the energy it takes to build a solar panel today, just imagine how quickly we could improve that with a few billion invested in that industry. Look at the speed of technological progress in the other industries and use a little imagination as to what could be achieved.

    I agree that nuclear power should be a part of the energy equation and had we not basically stopped development in that industry, primarily due to public safety concerns, I'm sure the technology would have moved on at a much faster pace. Similarly, “clean coal” technology is currently too costly and not yet good enough but, given some investment, it could provide energy for many years to come, without the negative impacts on the environment many are currently concerned about. I understand the NIMBY attitude, I don’t want a nuclear power plant in my neighborhood either, but then again, I also don’t want a coal fired plant, 100 giant wind turbines or a few hundred acres of solar panels. That just means we have to pay the infrastructure costs of getting the energy from the point of generation to where it will be used. How much are we willing to pay to have the power station “out of sight, out of mind”?

    Unfortunately many in our business and political worlds are focused on the short term. In politics its all about doing things that will get me or my party elected at the next go around, at best that’s 4 or 5 years. In business terms its about the financial results, sometimes quarterly, certainly annual results. I believe we should be willing to look a little longer term and be willing to invest for a little further down the line.

    Too often people disagree simply because they don’t want to agree. If one party says A then the other, automatically, says B just because they feel they can’t be seen to be agreeing with “the enemy”. No group has the exclusivity on good ideas, let’s share and discuss and agree the best way forward. A novel concept, I know, but it doesn’t seem a bad one to me.

    OK, back to work now and to day-dreaming about our trip to Little Cayman in May.
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    We have enough oil for HUNDREDS of years! We need to act now, these are choices people have been sold! It has nothing to do with the man, just the policy and he is personally why beyond slick willy! I am a free market economist and believe in Capitalism and this would have worked out like every recession! And yes blame wackos for the Mosquito thing as well, read Trashing the planet! Mark my words this administration will fail and bring all of us down! They will reach into your dive bag as well as your pocket. Freedom will be a word for nothing left to lose! If the Government has to subsidize it, it's a bad idea! The market will decide faster and with better results! Look up the "Great Depression of 1920" and learn something it lead to the "Roaring 20's"! Guess what it was worse than 1929 and the government did the right thing! Cut its size, laid people off, and let the free market pull us out of it! This is a socialist take over and Government now will be responsible for 40% of our GDP! Won't and can't work! Carter was only 24% and look how that went! EDUCATION! EDUCATION! There is no more common sense in the world, because of poor eduction! Thank you Liberals!
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    Wait till you tell environmentalist we have to use hundreds of square miles of desert to put up panels! LOL as far as saving our way out, sounds like my wife at the department store! Doesn't work there either! With all she has saved me I should be a millionaire!
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    shinek I couldn't agree more! But back to the oil thing, we will never run out because places that were too remote and too costly will be drilled but oil is NOT renewable. A much bigger problem is that we will run out of an atmosphere! Currently, the ocean is a net sink of CO2 but increased CO2 leads to ocean acidification which will decrease the ocean's ability to absorb CO2 so more will go into the atmosphere which will effect the global climate. Also there is no such thing as clean coal, the "clean coal" facilities might be cleaner but coil is still a very dirty energy just like oil! The way papa promotes oil use you would think he was some rich Texan but lately oil has tanked better invest now because it will go up eventually.

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    What a bunch of Mumbo jumbo science! First as a diver you should know the % of CO2 on the Atmosphere! Bad science never works! .0042 to .0046 and is a result of warming not a cause! It is free carbon produced by more vegetation because plants love CO2 and more bio-Mass is supported including the Ocean that can absorb 400 times the current .0046 CO2. The ocean uses it to create more reef and Limestone! Man I am tired of dealing with mad up science! I am disappointed every time a Diver states this lie! The point about oil is it is what we have now, we would be using less coal and oil if Wackos would not have stopped Nuclear Plants from being built! Real change would be to do what is right for us MAN and tell the wackos and liberals to GO TO HELL! Now that is change you can believe in! California would not be in this mess if we wouldn't have spent every dime, not to mention the 6 billion in oil revenue we sad no to so it can leak from the bottom of the ocean! We are 180* out of whack! I am so disappointed when I see young people who buy the Party line Hook Line and sinker! Again read Trashing the planet for yourself!
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    The ocean becomes more acidic because CO2 causes more organic matter to grow! Get your facts straight! CO2 does not cause the ocean to become more acidic! Take a chemistry class will you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Bear View Post
    The ocean becomes more acidic because CO2 causes more organic matter to grow! Get your facts straight! CO2 does not cause the ocean to become more acidic! Take a chemistry class will you!
    Now THIS is made up science!!! 100% WRONG!!!!!! I've taken plenty of chemistry classes and as a marine bio. major I know exactly why the ocean becomes acidic and it's because of increased CO2 levels! I just learned about it for the tenth time a few weeks ago. I'm up to date on my material now it's time your turn to take your blinders off. But again if you don't believe in global warming why would you believe in ocean acidification?

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    It doesn't, not directly! Lime stone is created when excess CO2 is converted into organic martial! I suggest you take class from Teachers without an agenda! You will the be a honest scientist! You don't demonstrate basic knowledge of chemistry, and your so called facts are not in evidence! Do you read anything other than what your left wing teachers guide you too? Please read Trashing the planet! What could it hurt? I believe the sun is responsible for all warming on this planet! Not us! Why have we had 115 record lows in October????!!!! Why was the hottest year 1997? When sun spots were at a peak? The last ten years have been cooling! Less sun spot activity! Why haven't the oceans levels go up any faster than the 35000 year average?! Why is the North Pole 2% larger than the average of the last 100 years? Why are there more increasing glaciers than receding? Jeez what do a person have to do to convince you that the leaders of your religion are lying to you and your belief system is flawed! I am scared for the next generation if you are the example of scientist that will make decision in the next 40 years! If you can't be reasonable and open minded, I have nothing more to say to you! Your BELIEFS are to ingrained!
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