Does Australia have it right????

[The Publisher]

It will never happen, because both parties have sold out America for votes and for cheap labor.

[Papa Bear]

Cheap labor!!!??? The trillion dollars we are going to spend is on union labor!!! Note cheap at all!!!! Auto workers 75 per hour, roads and bridges, more union jobs at 50 plus!!!! No help for small business at all lets see just how bad it will get under comrade hussein's plan, it is insane! Oh ya 1/2 billion to the blm to close more land! Thanks everyone, we in scuba are next, mark my words!!!!!!

[ZigZag]

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/howard-muslim-speech.shtml

[Papa Bear]

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/howard-muslim-speech.shtml

What's your point? Read what he said from Aussie sources! He said what he said and posting as if it was a hoax is missing the point and demeaning to him! As fare as "Racist" religion is not a race and would you say the same thing defending "Mein Kampf" BTW German for "Struggle" sound familiar as like Jihed
in the Co ran??? So I call them as I see them! Education is so important, wish we could make it so only people with one could vote!

[shinek]

Saw this e-mail a while back, attributed to Howard. By the way, for those who don't know, he was Prime Minister representing the conservative side of Australian politics. However, they were ousted by the labour party at the last election in, I understand, a somewhat similar sweep to that seen in the USA election last year.

Don't really care about the specifics of who actually said what and when, but I do feel the sentiments warrant some consideration. I consider myself a tolerant person, some would call me liberal but there are aspects of my lifestyle and beliefs which many would say put me in the conservative camp. They are both right.

In this particular case, I think the crux of the matter is the choice to move to another country and accept that country and its laws, culture and way of life. If you choose to emigrate to Australia, it is not unreasonable for the Australian government and its people to expect that you accept their rules and regulations. I suspect the documents you signed when you emigrated said that, more or less. After all, you chose to go there, so one would assume that you felt it was better, overall, than where you were coming from. Same for the USA, UK or any other country. If I chose to live in, just for example, Iran, I would expect to have to abide by Iranian laws and respect Iranian culture and way of life.

OK, other side of the coin for a moment. We have no right to enforce our rules, culture or political system on another country or people. Just because we don't agree with theirs, doesn't give us the right to change it. It is up to the people of any given country to figure out what's best for them and make it happen. In some cases that may be an evolutionary process, in others it is revolutionary, but either way, its up to them.

Something along the lines of "live and let live"!

OK, that's my two cents worth, now I'm getting back to reading some of the diving related topics.

[Papa Bear]

It is a good two cents! But, just like Hitler and his beliefs we had to final face the music and pay the price! There is nothing wrong with judging another religion or culture by how they treat the least of their society and especially their Women!

[rubber chicken]

..... There is nothing wrong with judging another religion or culture by how they treat the least of their society .....

Can we judge America by the same criteria then ?

[Papa Bear]

YES! But only about half, because the other half is in opposition! The other half want freedom and family values! The other half want freedom and democracy for all in the world! The other half want the Constitution to be the guiding document in our lives limiting our government and not us! The other half wants you to have the right to worship the way you want, but at your place of worship without forcing someone else to face East, West, or any other direction! The other half knows that your fires, like ours, are made worse by Environmentalist not allowing man to control "His" Environment and not some BS Global Warming political crap! The other half wants us to drill our own Oil freeing up cheaper energy for the rest of the world! The other half wants Nuclear
Power and wants it now! So be my guest! Otherwise you have no standards

BTW about half of us DON'T WANT TO SPEND A TRILLION DOLLARS ON BIGGER GOVERNMENT! The other half is just stupid!