Waiting for my apology?!!!!

[Papa Bear]

Humm, not sure what you were looking at but here are some of the reports:
Alaska Glaciers Grew this Year, Thanks to Colder Weather

Two hundred years of glacial shrinkage in Alaska, and then came the winter and summer of 2007-2008. Unusually large amounts of winter snow were followed by unusually chill temperatures in June, July and August. “In mid-June, I was surprised to see snow still at sea level in Prince William Sound,” said U.S. Geological Survey glaciologist Bruce Molnia. “On the Juneau Icefield, there was still 20 feet of new snow on the surface of the Taku Glacier in late July. At Bering Glacier, a landslide I am studying, located at about 1,500 feet elevation, did not become snow free until early August. “In general, the weather this summer was the worst I have seen in at least 20 years. “Never before in the history of a research project dating back to 1946 had the Juneau Icefield witnessed the kind of snow buildup that came this year. It was similar on a lot of other glaciers too. “It’s been a long time on most glaciers where they’ve actually had positive mass balance,” Molnia said. That’s the way a scientist says the glaciers got thicker in the middle.

Anchorage Daily News: ‘Bad weather was good for Alaska glaciers’

http://www.newsminer.com/news/2008/j...ldest-decades/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7574603.stm

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories...3_coolest.html

So yes I am waiting! Sun spots do more than all the Co2 you can find! BTW C02 happens after warming not before it!

[Papa Bear]

My old man used to say "Figures don't lie only lairs figure"!

It was the 54th coolest winter since national records began in 1895. NOAA!

[shinek]

Interesting, don't have any definitive answers one way or the other, and I agree that figures can usually be made to say what you want them to say. There's another old phrase, "...there's lies, damn lies and statistics".

However;

The newsminer article is just about the summer in Anchorage and shows it was clearly colder than recent years. It says it will be a new record for the fewest number of 65+ degree days. While Alaska has recently been subject to a global focus, I'm not sure that Anchorage weather alone gives much indication as to global climate one way or another.

The BBC article says that the first half of 2008 was 0.1 degree celcius cooler than any since 2000, but it also says that 2008 will be the 10th warmest since 1850. Not sure what that tells us. Further on it refers to long term trends still being an increase, but there was some interesting info re: Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation which I hadn't heard of before.

The NOAA page talks about some elements being cooler and others being warmer, this is one paragraph from it.

The combined global land and ocean surface temperature was the 16th warmest on record for the December 2007-February 2008 period (0.58°F/0.32°C above the 20th century mean of 53.8°F/12.1°C). The presence of a moderate-to-strong La Niña contributed to an average temperature that was the coolest since the La Niña episode of 2000-2001.

The page I got the earlier info from was on the NOAA web site. It shows global temperatures for land, ocean and overall on a month by month basis.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/...obal.html#temp

Obviously none of this info determines the cause of any climate change, it just shows what those changes appear to be. People much smarter than me can figure out the rest.

[Papa Bear]

Sun Spots and Volcanoes effect our weather more than anything man can or will do! Fact! Nothing else is provable! Next this is only an excuse to tax and control! Mark my words, say it now or say it later, but I am right and you will watch as Big Governments take more and more away! Car companies are on the verge of BK because of the tree huggers and anti-oilers! We will see more people killed in "Small cars" and soon it all be mandatory in a so called "Free Society" a Man who gives up freedom for security does not deserve either! This world is going to hell with good intentions!

[acelockco]

Your just pissed because we won!