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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Bear View Post
    So I have posted line after line of evidence that the whole thing is a fraud!
    Everything that you've posted calls into one of four categories:
    1. "belief tracts" authored by people with a clear and demonstrable axe to grind, or pocket to line, that are short on science and long on polemics.
    2. anecdotal evidence that reads something like, gee ... the winter in Albuquerque was cold this year ... I guess there's no global warming even though almost every glacier in the world has significantly retreated.
    3. posts of information from creditable scientists who later withdrew their findings because their original data was incorrect.
    4. posts by a creditable scientist who clearly stated that he had been misquoted and worse, had had statements attributed to him that the had never made.
    I made all the issues clear, but all that you have done is continue to cut and paste more off the web that falls into one of those four categories. , You have refused to engage in a dialog on the issues.

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Bear View Post
    What do we hear in the way of facts or evidence on the "Correct side" Nothing but the insult! The jab, the barb, the challenge of personal belief, but never any empirical evidence! Just lies and attacks! That's all they have!
    I have not insulted you but I do challenge your personal belief concerning climate change, because it appears to have more similarity to a bizarre personal religious cult than to science.

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    Environmentalism is a religion with it's own Gurus that are to be believed because they are tested politically as "Human Haters" and Socialists then their credentials are "just right" as long as their doctrine blames man and especially "Capitalist man"! You can tell a persons politics from the "Scientific conclusions"! Man puts all value on this planet, without us nothing else matters! If a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound? Who cares unless we are there to quantify the beauty of the tree? Or the Forrest?

    The Trial Lawyers have done a great job hand and hand with the left wing! We believe with no scientific proof that "Breast implants cause Auto-immune disease" No scientific evidence, "all Asbestos is dangerous" if so why do they still mine it is Canada? Because only the South African Asbestos causes Mesothelioma and not the straight type from Canada, yet we point the finger at all of it in order to put more money in the pockets of Trial Lawyers! The best book ever written is "Trashing the Planet" By Dixie Lee Ray and unless you read it you haven't got a clue! Even if you disagree with it at least you will know where I come from and why I have the positions I do!

    We are being manipulated by the media and Junk science to blame someone for life! What are we going to do when the Moon leaves it's orbit and spins off into space? Or when the 1 in 17000 chance a "Life ending Meteor" will hit the planet? We have so many real threats that to tell you that YOU and your SUV are killing the Polar Bear is just nuts! Not one of the climate models when run backwards puts us "Here at this time or weather place" in real science you have to be able to reproduce the results in the lab, and they can't!

    My 36 years of diving and traveling I have observed our oceans and I have not seen the alarming signs that sell movies, employee scientists, Tax people, and most of all control people without force!

    So if you take the doom and gloom side of this sell your dive gear and move to higher ground now! Be sure you walk, even though that produces more CO2 in a mile as your car, but you will look green! Plant or pay to have that tree planted! Even though we plant "Urban forest" wherever we build!

    I for one will be enjoying a pristine reef hopefully in 80 plus degree water a few steps from my Bure where the water lines has been for the last 30 years!
    You see it is one thing to tell and sell this crap to someone in Denver who has never seen the ocean except on a screen in "Water World" but to sell it to people who are in it all the time is a whole different deal and we should stand up and tell it as we see it! That is vialed observation!

    So when you hear a rant about politics or visa versa you can pin down that persons science, politics, and religion!

    So I have posted line after line of evidence that the whole thing is a fraud! What do we hear in the way of facts or evidence on the "Correct side" Nothing but the insult! The jab, the barb, the challenge of personal belief, but never any empirical evidence! Just lies and attacks! That's all they have!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Bear View Post
    Environmentalism is a religion with it's own Gurus that are to be believed because they are tested politically as "Human Haters" and Socialists then their credentials are "just right" as long as their doctrine blames man and especially "Capitalist man"! You can tell a persons politics from the "Scientific conclusions"! Man puts all value on this planet, without us nothing else matters! If a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound? Who cares unless we are there to quantify the beauty of the tree? Or the Forrest?
    That's some kind of weird psycho voodoo that I do not understand. Here's where you go wrong. You assume that you can tell someone's politics by taking a look at their science. Only someone who knew nothing about science, what it is, how it works, what journals and peer review are, could ever make so a misconceived statement. In order to actually advance that theory you'd have to believe that the entire National Academy of Sciences held a single, consistent, political view.
    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Bear View Post
    The Trial Lawyers have done a great job hand and hand with the left wing! We believe with no scientific proof that "Breast implants cause Auto-immune disease" No scientific evidence, "all Asbestos is dangerous" if so why do they still mine it is Canada? Because only the South African Asbestos causes Mesothelioma and not the straight type from Canada, yet we point the finger at all of it in order to put more money in the pockets of Trial Lawyers! The best book ever written is "Trashing the Planet" By Dixie Lee Ray and unless you read it you haven't got a clue! Even if you disagree with it at least you will know where I come from and why I have the positions I do!
    Oh ... I didn't realize that the trail lawyers, in cahoots with the commies were to blame. Comrade ... thanks for the report.
    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Bear View Post
    We are being manipulated by the media and Junk science to blame someone for life! What are we going to do when the Moon leaves it's orbit and spins off into space? Or when the 1 in 17000 chance a "Life ending Meteor" will hit the planet? We have so many real threats that to tell you that YOU and your SUV are killing the Polar Bear is just nuts! Not one of the climate models when run backwards puts us "Here at this time or weather place" in real science you have to be able to reproduce the results in the lab, and they can't!
    Who is it that pays for the media to manipulate you? Is it the trail lawyers and the commies? Or is it big business and the bankers? Do they do this through newspapers that you don't have to buy or television that you don't have to watch or do the beam their evil thoughts, against your will, directly to your brain? If it is the latter, I suggest extreme care removing the receiver, sometimes they booby-trap them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Bear View Post
    My 36 years of diving and traveling I have observed our oceans and I have not seen the alarming signs that sell movies, employee scientists, Tax people, and most of all control people without force!
    We all have to bow to your world travels and marvelous powers of observation and discernment. As we accept your observations as something more than anecdotal we'll all try or hardest to ignore what, you must understand, seem to be paranoid delusions concerning trial lawyers, communists and the media.

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Bear View Post
    So if you take the doom and gloom side of this sell your dive gear and move to higher ground now! Be sure you walk, even though that produces more CO2 in a mile as your car, but you will look green! Plant or pay to have that tree planted! Even though we plant "Urban forest" wherever we build!

    I for one will be enjoying a pristine reef hopefully in 80 plus degree water a few steps from my Bure where the water lines has been for the last 30 years!
    You see it is one thing to tell and sell this crap to someone in Denver who has never seen the ocean except on a screen in "Water World" but to sell it to people who are in it all the time is a whole different deal and we should stand up and tell it as we see it! That is vialed observation!

    So when you hear a rant about politics or visa versa you can pin down that persons science, politics, and religion!
    I'd guess that I know many more scientists (especially oceanographers and climatologists) that you do. When it comes to anthropogenic global climate change, the differ only in degree not in concept. But when it comes to politics and religion they span just about every political alignment and religious outlook.

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Bear View Post
    So I have posted line after line of evidence that the whole thing is a fraud! What do we hear in the way of facts or evidence on the "Correct side" Nothing but the insult! The jab, the barb, the challenge of personal belief, but never any empirical evidence! Just lies and attacks! That's all they have!
    That statement is complete clap-trap. It was dealt with in post #91 and your incessant whining does not make it any more so than it was the last time.
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    Facts nothing but facts: Something the "Believers don't have" and you won't see! Why because they have nothing but a model!
    http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com...a-short-essay/
    http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com...e-20s-and-30s/
    http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com...lobal-warming/
    http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com...urope-and-usa/

    Add to this that the polar cap is at its average and where is the Global Warming? It has taken a vacation! BTW for those with open minds: The South Pole continues to add ice and snow pack! One of the many articles I have posted here! But all of it has to be read to be understood by those willing to see past their religious beliefs that "Man is the Problem"! Oh Please Mother Earth give them the strength!
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    Global Warming? New Data Shows Ice Is Back

    Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:55 AM

    By: Phil Brennan Article Font Size

    Are the world's ice caps melting because of climate change, or are the reports just a lot of scare mongering by the advocates of the global warming theory?

    Scare mongering appears to be the case, according to reports from the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) that reveal that almost all the allegedly “lost” ice has come back. A NOAA report shows that ice levels which had shrunk from 5 million square miles in January 2007 to just 1.5 million square miles in October, are almost back to their original levels.

    Moreover, a Feb. 18 report in the London Daily Express showed that there is nearly a third more ice in Antarctica than usual, challenging the global warming crusaders and buttressing arguments of skeptics who deny that the world is undergoing global warming.

    The Daily express recalls the photograph of polar bears clinging on to a melting iceberg which has been widely hailed as proof of the need to fight climate change and has been used by former Vice President Al Gore during his "Inconvenient Truth" lectures about mankind’s alleged impact on the global climate.

    Gore fails to mention that the photograph was taken in the month of August when melting is normal. Or that the polar bear population has soared in recent years.

    As winter roars in across the Northern Hemisphere, Mother Nature seems to have joined the ranks of the skeptics.

    As the Express notes, scientists are saying the northern Hemisphere has endured its coldest winter in decades, adding that snow cover across the area is at its greatest since 1966. The newspaper cites the one exception — Western Europe, which had, until the weekend when temperatures plunged to as low as -10 C in some places, been basking in unseasonably warm weather.

    Around the world, vast areas have been buried under some of the heaviest snowfalls in decades. Central and southern China, the United States, and Canada were hit hard by snowstorms. In China, snowfall was so heavy that over 100,000 houses collapsed under the weight of snow.

    Jerusalem, Damascus, Amman, and northern Saudi Arabia report the heaviest falls in years and below-zero temperatures. In Afghanistan, snow and freezing weather killed 120 people. Even Baghdad had a snowstorm, the first in the memory of most residents.

    AFP news reports icy temperatures have just swept through south China, stranding 180,000 people and leading to widespread power cuts just as the area was recovering from the worst weather in 50 years, the government said Monday. The latest cold snap has taken a severe toll in usually temperate Yunnan province, which has been struck by heavy snowfalls since Thursday, a government official from the provincial disaster relief office told AFP.

    Twelve people have died there, state Xinhua news agency reported, and four remained missing as of Saturday.

    An ongoing record-long spell of cold weather in Vietnam's northern region, which started on Jan. 14, has killed nearly 60,000 cattle, mainly bull and buffalo calves, local press reported Monday. By Feb. 17, the spell had killed a total of 59,962 cattle in the region, including 7,349 in the Ha Giang province, 6,400 in Lao Cai, and 5,571 in Bac Can province, said Hoang Kim Giao, director of the Animal Husbandry Department under the Vietnamese Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Development, according to the Pioneer newspaper.

    In Britain the temperatures plunged to -10 C in central England, according to the Express, which reports that experts say that February could end up as one of the coldest in Britain in the past 10 years with the freezing night-time conditions expected to stay around a frigid -8 C until at least the middle of the week. And the BBC reports that a bus company's efforts to cut global warming emissions have led to services being disrupted by cold weather.

    Meanwhile Athens News reports that a raging snow storm that blanketed most of Greece over the weekend and continued into the early morning hours on Monday, plunging the country into sub-zero temperatures. The agency reported that public transport buses were at a standstill on Monday in the wider Athens area, while ships remained in ports, public services remained closed, and schools and courthouses in the more severely-stricken prefectures were also closed.

    Scores of villages, mainly on the island of Crete, and in the prefectures of Evia, Argolida, Arcadia, Lakonia, Viotia, and the Cyclades islands were snowed in.

    More than 100 villages were snowed-in on the island of Crete and temperatures in Athens dropped to -6 C before dawn, while the coldest temperatures were recorded in Kozani, Grevena, Kastoria and Florina, where they plunged to -12 C.

    If global warming gets any worse we'll all freeze to death.
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    NewsMax's Brennan Follows Anti-Global Warming Script
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    In a Sept. 25 NewsMax column, Phil Brennan lashed out against the "mass hysteria over the alleged warming of the planet." He threw a bunch of numbers out to try and back it up. For instance:
    Those evil deniers however, have taken the trouble to look at the facts instead of the propaganda from the U.N. and the rest of the global warming fanatics. They point out that the the anthroprogenic sources of CO2 account for exactly 0.11 percent of Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere. In other words, 99.89 percent of the greenhouse effect has not a damn thing to do SUVs, jet travel, backyard barbecues or any other human activity.
    The folks at RealClimate have taken the trouble to look at the facts as well, and they pretty much debunk Brennan's numbers. Don't expect Brennan to report that, of course.

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    As posted before by me, be ready for the personal attacks based on opinion and never any facts! Oldest tick in the book is to attack the messenger if you can't attack the message! Beware of fools with personal attacks and no facts to back them except "It's getting warmer" when it isn't or the "Ice is melting" when its not! The really good one is the "Sea is rising" and it isn't beyond it normal average! For we divers "The sea is getting so warm it's killing the reefs" NOT! They all bow to the god ALGORE and him leading them down the path like a modern day Pied Piper! Follow me to the land of socialism and state control! Just the world I want to live in! NOT! I would rather live in a world 20 degrees warmer than a day in paradise as a slave to the UN or some other repressive government controlled by the ALGORE's of the world!

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    There have been no personal attacks, I have simply raised the question of credentials and creditability, both or which appear to me to be sorely lacking. Is it wrong to ask if someone has any training is the subject that they are holding forth on or if someone is slipping them a few bucks to say something? You make those same accusations of professional scientists without any evidence, at least I provide evidence of their incompetence and/or venality.

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    Just a "Weatherman"?:

    THE 2008 INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE
    ON CLIMATE CHANGE
    REMARKS OF JOHN COLEMAN
    As presented on March 2, 2008
    At the Marriot Marquee in New York City
    It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it.
    Global Warming; it is a SCAM.
    With those words, posted on the weather page of the website of the San Diego
    Television station where I am chief meteorologist, I came out of the closet and into the
    spotlight in the movement to debunk the wildly out of control, hysterical frenzy about the
    supposed imminent climatic catastrophe of Global Warming. And, how does it feel to be
    in the ring dueling it out with the global warming doomsayers? In the words of James
    Brown, "WOW. I feel Good."
    I feel Good because I know I am on the right side in this debate. I acknowledge the
    sides are very unbalanced. On the other side are the United Nations, the leaders of the
    many of the nations of the world, most politicians here in the United States including all
    the current candidates for President, the Governor of my home state of California and
    many other governors, virtually all of Hollywood's do-gooder stars, just about all of the
    national media, seemingly every environmentalist on the planet, a half dozen
    prestigious scientific organizations, many well known scientists, most teachers and up
    to 80 percent of the people. They all stand alongside of the Nobel Peace Prize and the
    Academy Award winner; the former Vice President of the United States, Al Gore.
    So here I am now a part of an outcast, much assailed, way outnumbered group of
    global warming deniers. At least that is what we are called by the other side. Deniers, a
    demeaning and ugly term. I can handle their abuse. I don't like it; but I can handle it.
    But here is what I decided is not acceptable: Being silent when I know I am right. And I
    have pledged to make every effort to explain this scam and reveal the truth about
    climate change to all who will hear me. To cave-in and give lip service to the other side,
    the side that is wrong, dead wrong, is not an option. And no matter how it all come out,
    "Wow, I feel Good."
    My father was raised on a farm. Even after he became a college professor he still liked
    to go on the farmer's evening walk to look at the weather and predict what tomorrow
    would be like. As a young boy I loved to go with him. This was way back in the late
    1930's when weather data was scare and weather forecasts were rudimentary. But in
    those boyhood days with Dad, I developed a sense of connection with the atmosphere.
    My future life as a meteorologist was being molded.
    As a freshman in college I worked in a start-up, pioneering TV station. This was in
    1953. One day the boss asked "Who knows about the weather?" My hand shot up and
    from that moment on I was a television weathercaster. When I went to class the next
    day, the Professor began, "I watched you report the weather on TV last night. What are
    you doing here in Introduction to Meteorology?" I answered, "Trying to find out what I
    am talking about." Everybody laughed, but it was true. Thus began the education I
    needed to really forecast the weather.
    All through college and for the 51 years that have followed, I have predicted the weather
    every day. I have walked in the weather and felt connected to my environment. Here I
    am, in 2008, still doing it. I walk in the weather. I predict the weather every day. I feel
    one with my environment. And, I feel Good.
    Somewhere along the way, perhaps a decade ago, I began to read about global
    warming. I didn't take it seriously; after all, I had been through the coming Ice Age
    frenzy in the mid 70's. None the less, I read and listened. I had my doubts but tried to
    keep an open mind.
    I am not a research meteorologist like many in this room with advanced degrees. I am
    your student. But, I am a serious student and totally immersed in my field of expertise.
    As I studied, I couldn’t believe what was happening around me. There was an
    unprecedented explosion of global warming hype. All the media was filled with the bad
    news that the sky is falling. We have been warned of the dire consequences our
    civilization faces. The coasts will be flooded by melting ice caps. The crops will fail.
    Millions will die. Species will be wiped out as their habitats vanish. Panic sweeps the
    media. There are new alarms sounded every day. It has gone on for more than two
    years.
    I tried to stay calm. My studies had convinced me, beyond a shadow of doubt, this well
    orchestrated media frenzy is wrong; dead wrong. There is no unprecedented,
    unequivocal, uncontrollable man made global warming now and no evidence that it is to
    come. The entire frenzy is just as ridiculous as it can be.
    People I meet ask me about Global Warming. I tell them to relax it isn't for real. And,
    some of them get very hostile with me. People with no scientific knowledge and no
    reason I can see to take a position, have accepted global warming as their mantra; their
    religion; their passion; their cause.
    It has finally risen to the point, where, like Howard Beal in the movie "Network”, I can't
    take it anymore. When Mr. Gore was given a Nobel Peace Prize and an Oscar, when
    CNN declared Earth a "Planet in Peril", when NBC went green to save the Earth from
    Global Warming and turned out the studio lights on a football pregame show: That was
    it. I essentially opened the window and shouted at the top of my lungs, "I am madder
    than hell and I am not going to take it anymore". That is when I wrote and published my
    global warming rant.
    It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it.
    Global Warming; it is a SCAM.
    That was mid November. Since I posted that first piece, I have written and posted 8
    more briefs explaining the scientific basis for my stand on global warming.
    I have intensified my studies. I have entered the debate where ever I have been
    invited. And I stand firm. Man made Global Warming is not a problem. There is no
    climate change crisis.
    I am holding a document. At this point, I believe this is last remaining cornerstone
    document of the global warming advocate's case. This 113 page scientific paper is
    titled: Understanding and Attributing Climate Change. It is the much debated chapter
    nine of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. I wonder how
    many people who are disciples of Global Warming have actually read it. I wonder how
    many understand it. This paper portends to explain how carbon dioxide, CO2, drives a
    radiative forcing multiplier that turns this minor trace compound in the atmosphere into
    THE force behind uncontrollable global warming.
    When the global warming hype was beginning, it was that hockey stick chart of average
    temperatures over the millenniums, the chart featured in Al Gore's book and movie that
    grabbed everybody's attention. That chart was reproduced everywhere. It was the
    centerpiece of Global Warming.
    Thank goodness for Stephen McIntyre and Ross McKitrick. They lead the charge to
    expose this chart for what it is; a scientific fraud. Their papers were widely published
    and prompted others to conduct studies, as well. After a few years of debate, the
    hockey stick chart is dead and buried. Rest in peace.
    But there was more bad science to keep the battle going. With great fanfare NASA
    began releasing papers that claimed to be detecting global warming in the average
    annual temperatures of Earth. Each year was said to be warmer than the last or among
    the warmest ten ever. However, it was not long before Madhay Khandekar and Joseph
    D’Aleo, Roger Pielke Sr., Ross McKitrick and Pat Michaels, Anthony Watts, Ben
    Herman and many others demonstrated the inaccuracy and data manipulations behind
    these NASA pronouncements. At one point, NASA admitted its errors and issued
    corrected figures that shifted the warmest decade from the 1990's back to the 1930's.
    What has become clear is that any warming that took place in the last 20 years of the
    20th century was small, less than a degree, and was not totally, if at all, the result of
    mankind’s activities.
    Urban heat islands, problems with the sites where weather instruments are located,
    changes in the instruments themselves and even the paint on the instrument shelters all
    play a part in distorting temperature data. Determining which stations to include in
    averaging, the statistical methods used in processing the data, melding of sea surface
    satellite data with land based temperature measurements, considerations of
    measurements at different levels in the atmosphere are some of the complications in
    producing global temperature averages. They leave lots of room for error and for
    games to be played. The bottom line is, whatever warming may have occurred is not
    great, not increasing year to year and not necessarily or entirely man made. After much
    debate and study, average global temperature increases, another cornerstone of the
    Global Warming frenzy, fell into discredit.
    The global warming advocates fail to consider natural climate changes versus man
    made climate influences. We all know Earth has always gone through constant natural
    climate changes. There is no reason to assume that these natural shifts are not
    continuing and will continue to occur in the future. For instance, it is well documented
    that Earth has been in a long gradual warming trend following the last ice
    age. Solar cycles and shifting ocean current variations overlay that long term warmup
    producing fluctuations from year to year and decade to decade. None of this is
    devastating, but it is important to consider when we produce climate predictions. I see
    no convincing evidence that natural climate changes have been overwhelmed because
    of the activities of mankind.
    So that brings me back to this paper, Understanding and Attributing Climate Change.
    Since all of the other gambits of the Global Warming advocates have not withstood the
    scrutiny of peer review, how about this one. It all boils down to carbon dioxide. The
    Global Warming advocates claim the buildup of Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere
    resulting for the burning of fossil fuels is leading directly to an uncontrollable warm-up in
    global temperatures which will accelerate over time and produce disastrous
    climatological consequences. If their hypothesis is wrong, then the entire Global
    Warming frenzy is without basis. This is indeed their last remaining cornerstone;
    their bottom line. All the other stuff we hear about ice caps melting, polar bears,
    hurricanes, droughts and heat waves is just antidotal noise. Most of it is wrong and
    none of it really counts. The only thing that matters now is the issue of CO2 forcing.
    I am confident that CO2 forcing is not valid. I tell you without equivocation, after
    reading lots of research Papers, I conclude the CO2 forcing hypostasis has failed the
    test of peer review.
    The increases in Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere were first measured and published
    by Roger Revelle, who is known as the Grandfather of Global Warming. He was a man
    of great accomplishment and stature; a true senior scientist. He was the founder of the
    Scripps Oceanographic Institution and later a Professor at Harvard where one of his
    students was Al Gore. Gore says his experience in Revelle’s class became the
    foundation of his eventual Global Warming campaign. But, interesting enough, in later
    years Revelle himself cautioned against the assumption that CO2 was the engine of
    climate change.
    CO2, the natural compound that we humans breathe out, that plants use in
    photosynthesis, that oceans absorb and release, is also in the exhaust of the burning of
    fossil fuels. It seems clear that much of the frenzy over Global Warming comes from
    environmentalists who want to end the burning of fossil fuels. They try to frame Carbon
    Dioxide as a pollutant that must be eliminated. Their case does not hold up. It is not a
    pollutant. And eliminating fossil fuels would not eliminate it, only reduce it.
    Many well intentioned scientists have done studies that they say link the buildup of
    Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere with warming of temperatures. Their historical
    evidence has been proven wrong. Increased CO2 in the atmosphere follows warming,
    perhaps as a result of the warming, but clearly does not proceed warming. It is not the
    cause of warming. Studies of long term temperatures and CO2 prove that.
    But still the Global Warming advocates rest their case on their contention that CO2 has
    a special influence on water vapor, the primary greenhouse gas in the atmosphere.
    They say is multiplies the greenhouse effect of the water vapor. This is called CO2
    forcing. Without this forcing effect, CO2 couldn't have a significant impact on
    greenhouse warming because it is a mere trace compound in the atmosphere, around
    38 molecules of CO2 out of every 100,000 thousand molecules of atmosphere, a tiny
    fraction of the air around us.
    That brings me back to this paper, Understanding and Attributing Climate Change. This
    paper, done for the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has
    been peer reviewed within the IPCC, accepted and made a part of the underlying
    documents of the Global Warming predictions of the IPCC. And very importantly, the
    CO2 forcing formula from this paper is what has gone into those IPCC accepted climate
    computer models that predict climatic Armageddon. So this is it, the final and key
    cornerstone document. If it is correct, the Global Warming frenzy is valid. If it is not
    correct, the entire case is baseless. And this is a very substantial study building on a
    referencing dozens of prior studies. A large group of significant scientists have worked
    on aspects of and contributed to this final product. It is very substantial. Those
    scientists and their work and this paper cannot be lightly dismissed.
    Many of the scientists who are here today have commented on this paper. Some have
    done studies that counter its findings; essentially they prove it wrong. I find the most
    convincing work on this to date is this paper, Environmental Effects of Increased
    Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide, by Arthur B. Robinson, Noah E. Robinson and Willie
    Soon. To me they are absolutely convincing. But, I believe the debate on this issue
    may continue for some time.
    When I discuss Global Warming debate with those around me, I often hear the plea,
    "John, if the United Nations and its panel of 2,500 scientists have concluded that global
    warming is a major threat to our planet, you should listen to what they say. They are
    the experts. The UN must be the final judge in this matter. You are a heretic." This is I
    believe the hardest hurdle to jump. Debating the science is logical and straight
    forward. People's view of the world structure is emotional and difficult to overcome. But
    let me try, please.
    The United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was established in
    1988. Engineer Alan Cheetham has done an exhaustive study of how this came about.
    It is an amazing political story with an undercurrent of effort to position third world
    nations to gain restitution from the highly developed nations for the pollution from their
    industrial activity. The history also documents how the politicians clamored to create
    another bureau for the dream of a one world government and to entrench themselves in
    power.
    Once the UN IPCC was established, it had to create documentation of manmade
    climate change to prove its own worthiness to exist and to gain funding for its activities.
    Money flowed to scientist to produce to the needed research. Meetings were held to
    validate their work, publications were made, publicity was generated and the
    bureaucracy not only prevailed but grew in importance and budget and the cycle has
    continued to compound.
    What if the UN IPCC had produced studies that denied that man made climate change
    was a problem and that there was no cause for alarm. The IPCC would have been
    disbanded. No bureaucrat is going to let that happen. The bias to produce the desired
    results overwhelms reality.
    At this point, much is made of the IPCC panel of 2,500 scientists being in consensus on
    Global Warming. But get this. We now know how few scientists actually reviewed that
    key chapter of the IPCC report, the one that concludes that it very highly likely that
    greenhouse gas forcing has been the dominant cause of the global warming over the
    past 50 years. Dr. John McLean has issued a detailed report on IPCC reviewers. He
    reveals that there were as few as 23 independent reviewers of that chapter and that
    only 4 explicitly endorsed the hypothesis. That’s a long way from 2,500 and a long way
    from consensus.
    The lack of consensus is also well documented by Dr. Vincent Gray who was a expert
    reviewer and member of the IPCC since the early 1990s. He has detailed just how
    contrived the IPCC process has been and how it hardly actually reflects a majority
    consensus of scientists at all. Dr. Gray asked hard questions. They were ignored. I
    conclude that the final report of the IPCC panel is a political not a scientific document.
    Now, I turn to our media. Within the media, whatever the UN says is generally accepted
    as fact. The UN says there is a man made global warming crisis and its panel of 2,500
    scientists is in consensus, that good enough. And if a former Vice President is the
    spokesman for the cause, well that’s all the evidence the media needs to beat the
    drums for global warming. So now Global Warming is the American media's cause
    celeb.
    I am not the only television weathercaster who is skeptical of global warming. I know of
    two dozen others who have made public statements. And two dozen others have
    privately contacted me but cannot make public statements because of their employment
    situations. In any case, we are not nearly influential enough to turn the media.
    Marc Morano working for the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee has
    released an impressive list of more than 450 scientists who took a stand against the
    global warming frenzy in 2007. And there are the thousands of scientists who signed a
    petition against the Kyoto Protocol. That is impressive. But, in the media world none of
    this seems to count. What we need to move the media is a network anchor or a
    Hollywood super star to join the side of the skeptics.
    Let me put a few things into perspective. The media won't, so allow me to try. Through
    government we create an orderly civilization, or at least a reasonable facsimile of
    same. The media seems hung up on government. But the real advancements of the
    civilization are the product of science, not government. Science created the healthcare
    that cured me of cancer and has saved my life twice, so far, and provides the
    medications to keep me alive so I can be here today. Science created the power and
    machines and systems that made air and auto travel possible, that warm and cool our
    spaces. Science created our means of communication: our phones, our television and
    radio, our internet and most of all science created computers that extend our human
    capabilities by the power of millions. Science, not government, is the driving force of
    civilization. That is why I am so excited to be here at a meeting of scientists. I honor
    you and all your brethren around the world. You are the prime force of civilization.
    Thank you, thank you, thank you.
    Debate among scientists is the healthiest condition possible in our society. From
    disagreement is born study, serious considerations and re-considerations. To declare
    the debate about Global Warming to be over is anti-science, regressive and, in a word,
    dumb. Let the debate flourish.
    In conclusion, here are things we should not expect: The UN will never withdraw its
    report. Al Gore will never admit he is wrong. The scientists who have developed the
    case for CO2 forcing and global warming will not admit they erred. Environmental
    extremists will never relent.
    Things we can work for: The media might be persuaded to give some coverage to our
    side of the debate. A significant percentage of the public may become climate change
    skeptics. As a result some politicians may come to our side of the argument. These
    are things we need to work toward.
    Here is one question from me; a question, not a charge. If CO2 is not the culprit in
    global warming, is the selling of carbon credits a financial fraud?
    And, to paraphrase David Letterman, the number one thing to expect is: In 20 years we
    will have the last laugh. When the climate has not changed, the ice caps have not
    melted, polar bears are flourishing, the oceans have not flooded the shores, when
    climate change has not destroyed our lives, Ah, we will have the last laugh.
    The frenzy will fade away and there will be global warming jokes and Al Gore's prizes
    will be tarnished.
    Yes, we will have the last laugh.
    It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it.
    Global Warming...it is a SCAM.
    And because we are standing up to the horde of Global Warming alarmists and doing
    our best to set the record straight, to calm the frenzy and provide proof that the sky is
    not falling; yes, because of the work of all of you here today,
    Wow, I feel good.
    Links referenced in John Coleman’s remarks
    KUSI Television, San Diego, John Coleman’s comments on Global Warming
    http://images.bimedia.net/documents/...l+Warming1.pdf
    The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
    http://www.ipcc.ch/
    The Al Gore movie, “An Inconvenient Truth
    http://www.climatecrisis.net/
    The late James Brown
    http://www.funky-stuff.com/jamesbrown/
    An online article about the word “deniers” used to describe Global Warming skeptics
    http://www.spiked-online.com/index.p.../article/1782/
    My father, Ernest Claude Coleman, PhD
    http://www.thecolemannet.com/index.htm
    United Nations IPCC Chapter 9, the key chapter on CO2 Forcing
    http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-re...1-chapter9.pdf
    Natural Resources Defense Council Global Warming report
    http://www.nrdc.org/globalWarming/fcons.asp
    Michael Mann and the Hockey Stick Chart
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Mann_(scientist)
    Stephen McIntyre and Ross McKitrick’s Paper refuting the Hockey Stick Chart
    http://www.climateaudit.org/pdf/mcintyre.grl.2005.pdf
    Stephen McIntyre’s website
    http://www.climateaudit.org
    Ross McKitrick’s website
    http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/ross.html
    NASA web pages on average annual temperatures
    http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/loo...arth_warm.html
    Dr. Mayhay Khandekar and Joseph D’Aleo’s post on the problems with the NASA
    average temperature calculations
    http://icecap.us/images/uploads/PITFALLS.pdf
    Dr. Roger Pielke Sr;’s post on problems with calculation average global temperatures:
    http://climatesci.org/2008/02/08/an-...veragesurface-
    temperature/
    Ross McKitrick and Pat Michaels paper detailing how observation points change over
    time influences global average temperatures
    http://icecap.us/images/uploads/MM.JGRDec07.pdf
    Anthony Watts discovers serious site problems with many official weather observation
    stations in the United States and conducts a national effort to survey every location
    http://surfacestations.org/
    Dr. Ben Herman investigates questionable exaggerations in maximum temperatures at
    locations where certain types of new temperature sensors have been installed.
    http://climatesci.org/2008/01/21/gue...theuniversity-
    of-arizona-maximum-temperature-trends/
    The controversy about the influence of urban heat islands on global temperatures is
    covered in the Wikipedia article at
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_heat_island
    Long term climate changes on Earth, resulting from natural causes, primarily variations
    in the radiation received from the Sun are detailed by D. Bruce Merrifield
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/...r_radia_1.html
    I write about the solar influence on climate variations on Earth in my brief The Force
    behind Climate Change
    http://images.bimedia.net/documents/...al+Warming.pdf
    Roger Revelle, the Grandfather of Global Warming and the man who inspired Al Gore,
    cautioned against alarmism from the carbon dioxide build-up
    http://www.financialpost.com/story.h...9-778c0973526e
    Carbon Dioxide characterized as a pollutant, the force behind global warming
    http://worldcoolers.org/co2map/
    Typical newspaper article decrying carbon dioxide build-up in the atmosphere
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._carbon22.html
    Union of Concerned Scientists page on carbon dioxide
    http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles...-globalwarming.
    html
    The key Paper by Arthur B. Robinson, Noah E. Robinson and Willie Soon that explains
    that Carbon Dioxide Forcing is not valid
    http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/im...inson_Soon.pdf
    Another excellent Paper by Allan M.R, MacRae showing that Carbon Dioxide is not the
    primary force in climate change
    http://icecap.us/images/uploads/CO2vsTMacRae.pdf
    Dr. David Evans Paper showing that Carbon Dioxide does not cause Global Warming
    http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Evan...NotCauseGW.pdf
    Alan Cheetham details the history of the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
    Change)
    http://www.appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/GW_History.htm
    Dr. John McLean details the lack of significant peer review of the IPCC documents
    http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/im...an/mclean_IPCC
    _review_final_9-5-07.pdf
    Dr. Vincent Gray writes about his experience as a member of the IPCC
    http://nzclimatescience.net/index.ph...=155&Item id=
    1
    Two dozen Television meteorologists who are global warming skeptics are listed on
    ICECAP
    http://icecap.us/index.php/go/experts
    The report on the over 400 scientists who spoke out in opposition to global warming in
    2007
    http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...y.SenateReport
    The Petition against the Kyoto Protocol
    http://www.oism.org/pproject/
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    Some will attack findings just because the credentials of the man presenting the findings! "You can't believe him because he has no formal training" or "The wrong school's Degree"! So going alone with that Evolution is false! why? Because Charles Robert Darwin had no formal training in Anthropology, Oceanography, or any of the natural sciences! He studied Medicine and theology! So he couldn't have discovered or observed what he did!

    Then there is Michelangelo di Lodovico Buonarroti Simoni NO formal training and just a painter?

    So no matter what you post about some body it comes down to evidence Vs No evidence! Most people who discovered most of what we know until the middle of the last century had either no or very little formal education! Yet it still matters to some who said it! Well what is ALGORE's Credentials inventing the internet or being the subject of "Love Story" or maybe re-inventing Government? Nice job!
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