I will only give it up when we are FREE and Free Market forces are at work! It is called Capitalism and it works!
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I will only give it up when we are FREE and Free Market forces are at work! It is called Capitalism and it works!
? What on earth are you talking about? First you equate environmenalists to communists, now you bring in capitalism. What's that got to do with climate change, carbon emmisions or wether or not we should do anything about it... except, of course, that the oil companies are very capitalist in their nature and are currently all making record profits... but try as I might, I really can't see how that can be brought into any discussion or debate about the environment.
Perhaps this is some subtle way of actually backing the enviromental movements, by so dogedly harpering on about such ridiculous arguments against it; anyone with half a brain's going to discount the piffle and turn their ear to the more reasoned arguments and theories (facts, what facts?) instead. Very clever Papa, I'm impressed, although perhaps a bit too subtle for many, they may, as you suggested in your earlier post, just decide that you are completely bonkers... not that I'm suggesting that, of course, I'd hate for you to think I was getting personal.
Boyz will be Boyz...
Can We Please Get Back To The Original Topic!
This Should Not A Political Discussion, But Rather A Basic Question About Diving!
Thank You For Your Understanding
Since you don't have an argument I would expect more! I don't have to point out THE sp ERRORS so maybe that is a way to show us by code you don't believe all the crap about the oil companies the news media want you to believe? (No personal attack implied of course) Oil Companies have huge expenses and are making record profits because of record demand! They only make about 7% on the investment less than you would want if you owned a business! The American Companies paid more in US taxes than they earn in the US on world wide profits! So you have to know what your talking about before you suggest that there is some world conspiracy to rip off fuel users, it is popular to hate someone or something! Right out of the Communist and environmentalist hand book!Quote:
Originally Posted by bottlefish
Ace if you don't think this is a part of a discussion on the impact of fuel prices on SCUBA activity then you own an Oil well!
I just got of a Live a board and had to pay a surcharge to fuel the boat! People in China are rioting over the cost of fuel and how do you have this conversation without talking about the cause and solution?
In the meantime the Dumocrats in my state are going to ban balloons! So maybe ignoring the problem is the answer? After all we can blame GWB! It's always his fault, right!
Will gas prices hurt people dive activities? Yes they already are and the above is why and whats wrong!
well I guess the answer was NO! Oh well I just started to ignore it and take it with a grain of salt.Quote:
Originally Posted by acelockco
There's a reason why the oil companies made record profits and it's because they control the market. We pay what they want, and have no choice. Also the balloon ban isn't banning all balloons it's just the fancy ones that end up in power lines and cause a lot of damage which we pay for in the long run. So what's the problem of getting rid of the balloons? Saving money and the environment, all though the latter might be a problem for someone (oh course not to name names) Finally why can't we blame GWB? The economy has gone to hell in a hand basket over the last 8 yrs! He has one of the LOWEST approval ratings of all time, got us into another pointless never ending war, which has driven up gas prices. So what, maybe GWB hasn't had a little fun behind the desk, at least Clinton didn't tank the economy, if fact he was able to salvage it from GWB's daddy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Papa Bear
See you must feel better you just towed the party line without any facts! The economy until the news media got a hold of it was the best ever! Period! The Balloon ban is more crap and power outages aren't caused by Mylar Balloons! The control just keeps rolling along and think of all the people who will lose their jobs in a free country, LOL, because a bunch of Dumocrats hate balloons! Please wake up and smell the coffee! Look at the trend, we will be next, unless we support freedom! For all not just the ones we like!
If you think you can drill, refine, and sell oil cheaper do so! It is so Government regulated that Mom & Pop oil operations are gone! To build a refinery in this country takes 10 years and over a billion dollars! Where is that money supposed to come from and ten years is because of the Dumocrats and Enviors!
If you don't think its having a negative effect checkout a simple search:403 Forbidden
I was always hoping to do this but our lack of drilling will not see me or anyone going to Bikini Atoll anytime soon!
'May 28, 2008 ... Bikini Atoll diving business to close in two weeks ... local airline and skyrocketing fuel prices have prompted the closure in two weeks."
Just on the off chance that anyone is still reading this thread, I found the following article which may help those of us who are not as well read understand a little about how the price of oil fluctuates on a global basis. Based on the oil prices referenced, it appears to have been written at the back end of last year.
Anyway, I found it interesting so thought I'd pass it on.
http://www.wtrg.com/prices.htm
You must be joking, or your just delusional. Maybe the economy was the best ever 8 yrs ago right when he stepped in office. But it was just handed to him. You talk about facts so where's yours, and better yet how creditable are they? I might not fully agree with the balloon ban(personally I could care less) but there is reason behind it. Plus who's jobs is it taking away. The balloons are made in China and sold in flower shops and grocery stores. I don't see a floral shop, and there's no way a grocery store is going out of business because they can't sell balloons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papa Bear
I am not joking at all! Nothing was handed to GWB the economy was tanking and we had a little thing called "The Teach Crash" under Billy boy! The this little thing called 9/11 came along and GWB and the Republican House & Senate passed tax cuts that stimulated the economy for 6 years of solid growth! Millions of job and an unemployment rate that is considered full employment! 4 years less than 5%! Best since records were kept! The news media would like you to think something else because they are so far left!
The Balloon industry is 100 million dollar a year industry in California! And that doesn't matter, they have a right to sell Balloons! Where does Government get off telling an industry to stop selling a legal product? How did we give it that much power? Your comments sound like WWII Germany "As long as they don't come for me, so what!"
You need to go out side your liberal education and read some real economist like Dr Thomas Sole! Our GNP went from 5 trillion to 12 trillion dollars in 10 years! Please learn something about economics! Free market and capitalism is our last hope of freedom in the world! To see the latest generation show no understanding and demonstrate such a left wing stance shows me we are lost in our education system! The Secular Progressives are winning and we all lose!
I can only hope that a few people out there can see and understand what is real and what is false! And no man named Barrack Hussein Obama should ever be President of the United States of America any more than someone named Benedict Arnold!
Please name one thing a Dumocrat has done to bring down fuel prices, just one, please even a little?!!!
God save us all!
Very nice and I always see good viewer numbers on this thread! Many people just don't get involved but the watch! Anyone is free to post there opinion in a discussion, but many times if it is said for them they feel they don't have to join in! It seems a more substantive discussion may give people hope that there are a few who know whats going on!Quote:
Originally Posted by shinek
The article you found was great! Thanks for posting it! :D
I See This Is Now A Who's Penis Is Bigger Fight.
While All Of The Children Are Bickering About Dumocrats And Ripoffublicans I Will Be Out Diving.
Wow That Water Is Cold......and Deep Too!
Well I've just had too much down time this last week. Just wrapped up the quarter, and work doesn't start for a week. But I'll be out diving tomorrow:) and yes the water is still cold(49-53 deg F) I'll have a busy week of diving and camping starting Monday. No cell service or internet or even power for a whole week(oh the needed little break from society) So we'll have to call this debate a drawl, or what the hell I'll just toss in the towel since it seems to be never ending and it's not even about diving.Quote:
Originally Posted by acelockco
More like the size of your brain cells! "A man goes to his doctors office and the doctor's nurse tells the man to put on the gown and asked him what is wrong? He tells her he thinks he has a problem with his Penis and the nurse says lets take a look so I can tell the doctor what he will need. The man opens his gown and the nurse starts laughing uncontrollably! I am so sorry, but I have never seen one so small, who are you going to satisfy with that little thing? The man looked at her and said, why ME of course!"
So I am happy with what I know and wouldn't trade all the ignorant bliss for any of the trivia in all of my intact cells! :p
very nice we'll end it with a joke, and not a half bad one to boot.:)
Out in Malta at the mo, just started playing with the new video housing (Sony Z1 in a Gates)... finally got the trim sorted, but still prooving too much to take on the deeper dives. Bit of a shame, we're hoping to ID a new wreck this afternoon, would've been nice to take the camera along for the proof, I'll let you all know how it went tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by hbh2oguard
sounds good, stay safe and good luck with the camera.